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How can you claim yourself as an atheist, mention democracy and speak only against Islam at the same time? This is hypocrisy at it fullest.

My biggest problem lies with the bolded part, as I think you're pointing at Kosovars here ignoring the likes of Lila, Bulku, Cikalleshi, Balaj and Sadiku being on the photo while Xhaka, Gashi and Berisha missing.

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The hypocrisy of it all is that Atheists are just as obsessed with religion as religious people are. Always scolding, ridiculing, bashing people for their religious views and bring up the topic 24/7. Someone who truly doesn't care about religion wouldn't judge people on their religion.
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totti10 wrote:How can you claim yourself as an atheist, mention democracy and speak only against Islam at the same time? This is hypocrisy at it fullest.

My biggest problem lies with the bolded part, as I think you're pointing at Kosovars here ignoring the likes of Lila, Bulku, Cikalleshi, Balaj and Sadiku being on the photo while Xhaka, Gashi and Berisha missing.

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This open expression of religious views in the public eye is alien to most of us who grew up under communism. I have to agree it makes me uncomfortable too but where Owner is wrong is equating anyone's who goes to a mosque with a jihadist. Now that's just plain wrong. Albanian Moslems have been extremely tolerant of other religions and one has to be cognizant why some Albanians have taken up to Islam again and why it plays a big part in their lives.


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The use of religion to point regional differences is pathetic. We all know the history behind the phenomenon inside mainland and outside. And certainly mainland Albos just cannot feel strongly about this, purely as we are far more ignorant towards religion. While for the Albos outside it has served as a great source of strength towards their fight to keep the identity going. Is one thing being agnostic and another bashing it due to feeling inferior from western propaganda.
However we still have to learn how to openly speak about this phenomenon without offending.
That picture for me is wrong. Not cos is a mosque, but cos is a religious institution and they are all wearing the albanian NT Jersey and it looks like an official visit. Let's not forget that not all Albos are muslim. But I do admit that I'm very ignorant in regards to faith and just cannot comprehend the idea of such belief.
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Berti wrote:The use of religion to point regional differences is pathetic. We all know the history behind the phenomenon inside mainland and outside. And certainly mainland Albos just cannot feel strongly about this, purely as we are far more ignorant towards religion. While for the Albos outside it has served as a great source of strength towards their fight to keep the identity going. Is one thing being agnostic and another bashing it due to feeling inferior from western propaganda.
However we still have to learn how to openly speak about this phenomenon without offending.
That picture for me is wrong. Not cos is a mosque, but cos is a religious institution and they are all wearing the albanian NT Jersey and it looks like an official visit. Let's not forget that not all Albos are muslim. But I do admit that I'm very ignorant in regards to faith and just cannot comprehend the idea of such belief.
What I think some people don't understand is that if you attack a particular group of people for their religious beliefs or whatever other beliefs they might hold they will cling even harder to those beliefs and become more radicalized in their views. You see that in some Arab countries that had a history of secularism after WWII like Egypt, Syria and Iraq. Due to the wars of invasion from the West those countries are embracing a radical version of Islam now and when you combine that with the poverty that is prevalent in the region it makes it a fertile ground for extremist views to take root.

In Kosove, Serbia made it plainly clear that it was fighting against this imaginary Islamic invasion of Europe and turned the conflict from an ethnic one into a religious one. Naturally Albanians there will cling to Islam in the aftermath of the war as it became part of their identity. The same goes in Ilirida where the Macedonians have turned to conflict between Macedonian and Albanians into a religious one.


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Plako wrote:
Berti wrote:The use of religion to point regional differences is pathetic. We all know the history behind the phenomenon inside mainland and outside. And certainly mainland Albos just cannot feel strongly about this, purely as we are far more ignorant towards religion. While for the Albos outside it has served as a great source of strength towards their fight to keep the identity going. Is one thing being agnostic and another bashing it due to feeling inferior from western propaganda.
However we still have to learn how to openly speak about this phenomenon without offending.
That picture for me is wrong. Not cos is a mosque, but cos is a religious institution and they are all wearing the albanian NT Jersey and it looks like an official visit. Let's not forget that not all Albos are muslim. But I do admit that I'm very ignorant in regards to faith and just cannot comprehend the idea of such belief.
What I think some people don't understand is that if you attack a particular group of people for their religious beliefs or whatever other beliefs they might hold they will cling even harder to those beliefs and become more radicalized in their views. You see that in some Arab countries that had a history of secularism after WWII like Egypt, Syria and Iraq. Due to the wars of invasion from the West those countries are embracing a radical version of Islam now and when you combine that with the poverty that is prevalent in the region it makes it a fertile ground for extremist views to take root.

In Kosove, Serbia made it plainly clear that it was fighting against this imaginary Islamic invasion of Europe and turned the conflict from an ethnic one into a religious one. Naturally Albanians there will cling to Islam in the aftermath of the war as it became part of their identity. The same goes in Ilirida where the Macedonians have turned to conflict between Macedonian and Albanians into a religious one.
Very true. It's difficult for people to understand that just because you dislike something about them, it doesn't mean you hate the person. I have family who call themselves Muslim but I love them, I don't hate them. It's like someone being addicted to smoking. Just because you dislike their habit, it doesn't mean you hate the person.

It takes a great deal of emotional maturity not to take things personally.
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I don't know if you misunderstood what I wrote but I wasn't speaking only against Muslims or against Kosovars or whatever you think I was, but organized religion in general.
Christianity has done much more damage to Europe than Islam. But Christianity's days are over.
artan wrote: The hypocrisy of it all is that Atheists are just as obsessed with religion as religious people are. Always scolding, ridiculing, bashing people for their religious views and bring up the topic 24/7. Someone who truly doesn't care about religion wouldn't judge people on their religion.
Oh please. the whole point of atheism is recognizing the bullshit and politics of organized religion.
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DigBick wrote: Christianity has done much more damage to Europe than Islam. But Christianity's days are over..
In Albania the Christians are actively doing damage though but you choose to ignore that. You are not an equal opportunity discriminator when it comes to religion amongst Albanians. I can't go into it right now but I will give you a laundry list of things Christians are doing in Albania, especially the Orthodox Church and the Evangelical proselytizers that have sprouted all over after 1990.


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Atheist and Agonist are actually racist. Their are made up off 90% of white people, mostly men. Hardly any black people, Hispanics, Asians.
DigBick wrote:Oh please. the whole point of atheism is recognizing the bullshit and politics of organized religion.
Maybe for annoying guys like Bill Maher.
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Shpati wrote:Atheist and Agonist are actually racist. Their are made up off 90% of white people, mostly men. Hardly any black people, Hispanics, Asians.
White men have been responsible for shaping 95% of today's world. They have achieved some amazing things and committed unspeakable atrocities as well. Of course they will be the driving force behind one of 20th century's most important ideologies, such as Atheism.


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Just something I heard from a redneck radio show. I thought it was funny.
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Shpati wrote:Just something I heard from a redneck radio show. I thought it was funny.
They the devil ;)


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