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[Plako]

Anyway, even if what you say is true, how is it "actively" doing damage?

The presence of a Greek as the Bishop of the Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania for over two decades gives the impression that the Orthodox Church of Albania is just a branch of the Greek Orthodox Church. Imagine if a Saudi or a Turk was the head Imam of all Moslems in Albania. And the excuse that there was no priest qualified to head Sinodi i Shenjte is just an excuse. The other three major denominations managed just fine without a foreigner as the head of their congregation.

[Plako]

Plako you have no clue of what you're talking about. I have orthodox family members, and they don't even give two shits about janutollas or w/e the hell is name is. Im not even sure they even know anything about him.

I agree that the leader of the AOC should be an Albanian, but comparing this to the radicalism of the hundreds of Albanians that are fighting wars oversees for a bunch of radical monkeys is completely absurd. I know you're trying to "balance the scales", but Islam is by far the biggest problem in those lands, and it's not even comparable. As I said, Christianity was much worse historically, but their time is up, at least in Albania.

Honestly I don't give a shit that extremists are killing themselves in Syria, I wish them all a sweet death if that's their chosen path. I'll worry about that when extremists start infringing on the daily lives of people in Albania. There's a difference between the head of a religious institution and individuals who decide to fight other peoples' wars. You can't do anything about the decision of an individual. However, something could have been done about Janullatos and nothing was ever done, and that speaks volumes.

[Zemi]

Plako stay preaching the truth

Im so sick of these religious arguements. The muslim players decided to go to the mosque and do xhuma prayer together. Big fuckin deal. Who gives a shit. If i was on the team i wouldve gone with them.


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[NYVirus]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. The Albanian autocephalus church can and has remained independent of the Greek church, even if the head of it is ethnically a Greek person. I don't think it has in any way butted itself into Albanian politics, and unlike certain other religious leaders, there has been nothing from any Orthodox priests about who has better claims to disputed territories.

[Zemi]

But virus honest question. Are u happy with a greek leading the Albanian Orthodox Church?


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[Plako]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. The Albanian autocephalus church can and has remained independent of the Greek church, even if the head of it is ethnically a Greek person. I don't think it has in any way butted itself into Albanian politics, and unlike certain other religious leaders, there has been nothing from any Orthodox priests about who has better claims to disputed territories.

How is it independent? On paper? Where has all the money to renovate hundreds of churches come from? The money to renovate churches and mosques always comes with strings attached.

[NYVirus]

But virus honest question. Are u happy with a greek leading the Albanian Orthodox Church?

As a culturally Orthodox person (i.e., don't usually go to church other than on Christmas and Easter but celebrate both as cultural events) I understand why he was chosen to lead our church and recognize that due to his leadership the next leader will be an Albanian who will be highly qualified to take over the reigns (Fr. Joan from Korca comes to mind). I get the argument that an "autocephalus" church should have a leader of its own ethnicity, but I don't think Fr. Anastasi sees himself as a representative of Greece but rather a representative of Albanians. All in all, my view is that the hate on him is highly exaggerated and that he has done the best he could do to lead our church from ruins. Sure, he is not Albanian, but having a leader who is as well respected in the World of Orthodox Christianity as he is was a huge boon to the Albanian Orthodox Church... I personally do not stare a gift horse in the mouth.

[NYVirus]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. The Albanian autocephalus church can and has remained independent of the Greek church, even if the head of it is ethnically a Greek person. I don't think it has in any way butted itself into Albanian politics, and unlike certain other religious leaders, there has been nothing from any Orthodox priests about who has better claims to disputed territories.

How is it independent? On paper? Where has all the money to renovate hundreds of churches come from? The money to renovate churches and mosques always comes with strings attached.

How many other sources of donation have there been? And who is funding the building of the huge ass mosques in Tirana? It's not different at all. Again, I don't stare a gift horse in the mouth and trust the leaders of my church to make the right call as to when the juice is not worth the squeeze (pardon all the metaphors here).

Have you seen the state of the churches in Voskopoja? What about all the amazing Onufri and other famous painter's work being ruined because there's no funders and not enough education of the masses to help protect them. If it is the Greeks that will help out to allow us to save our national treasurers, then I thank them for being so kind.

[Plako]

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue. The Albanian autocephalus church can and has remained independent of the Greek church, even if the head of it is ethnically a Greek person. I don't think it has in any way butted itself into Albanian politics, and unlike certain other religious leaders, there has been nothing from any Orthodox priests about who has better claims to disputed territories.

How is it independent? On paper? Where has all the money to renovate hundreds of churches come from? The money to renovate churches and mosques always comes with strings attached.

How many other sources of donation have there been? And who is funding the building of the huge ass mosques in Tirana? It's not different at all. Again, I don't stare a gift horse in the mouth and trust the leaders of my church to make the right call as to when the juice is not worth the squeeze (pardon all the metaphors here).

Have you seen the state of the churches in Voskopoja? What about all the amazing Onufri and other famous painter's work being ruined because there's no funders and not enough education of the masses to help protect them. If it is the Greeks that will help out to allow us to save our national treasurers, then I thank them for being so kind.

Well I'll have to end it with a Roman saying as we're not gonna get anywhere with this. It goes "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes". The rest is up to you. I'm not coming here to change minds honestly only to provide some balance.


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[Simboli i Diellit]

Honestly I don't give a shit that extremists are killing themselves in Syria, I wish them all a sweet death if that's their chosen path. I'll worry about that when extremists start infringing on the daily lives of people in Albania. There's a difference between the head of a religious institution and individuals who decide to fight other peoples' wars. You can't do anything about the decision of an individual. However, something could have been done about Janullatos and nothing was ever done, and that speaks volumes.

If anything religion related happened in Albania i believe that it would have the worst reaction of all . Just this Wahabis stuff and i notice through albanian catholics a raise of conservatorism and islamophobic feelings , can't immagine the outcome if things that are happening in Kenya or northern africa/isis lands happened in Albania. I don't feel in speaking about this and probably is time to stop speaking about this, although i agree with most of your point i think that albanians shouldn't have any religion.