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[Plako]

Where do you come up with this kind of shit? I'm being serious. I have lived most of my live outside of Europe. Why would I think of myself as being European at all let alone "more" European?

My guess is from your avatar

I think Artan meant Western by "European". Westerners have been taking the moral high ground on a lot of social issues in the last few decades due to their economic dominance.

[Simboli i Diellit]

It must really suck to be a woman in Kosovo if you can't even tell your own family about being raped. That's the type of mentality I would expect in Saudi Arabia not in a European country.

It's the same shit in Albania too and there was stories written how many young Albanian girls are getting surgery on their hymens so they can still be "virgins" when they get married. Get out of here with your false sense of elitism by thinking you're more European.

If you think one region of Albanians are better than the other you guys are mentally retarded. You have northerners still doing blood vendettas for stupid fueds, you have an entire village in Lazarti that was armed to the teeth and supplying Europe it's drugs, you have traffickers tricking albanians to the illusion of Europe, etc.

That's right Artan. I've a colleague in Fier that does "qepje" for girls before marriage . Have heard all type of stories, they do it all over Albania , they become "virgin" for 10$ .You think mentality isn't that hard in Tirana but the typical Albanian boy raised in Albania would like to think he was the only one to "deflower" the woman . That's not a religious issue that's how it is there , reality point.!

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[Pjetër]

Where do you come up with this kind of shit? I'm being serious. I have lived most of my live outside of Europe. Why would I think of myself as being European at all let alone "more" European?

My guess is from your avatar

I think Artan meant Western by "European". Westerners have been taking the moral high ground on a lot of social issues in the last few decades due to their economic dominance.

I would be surprised if anybody on this forum knew who the guy in my avatar was. He's probably even less European than I am.

As far as the last part goes, I don't base my morals on the economic dominance of a country I live in. I just try to put my self in other people's positions and see how I would react. If my wife/mother/sister/cousin etc. were to be raped the last thing I would think about is the "honor" of my family. My father is the same way. That's why I am so thankful he is from a city and not a katunar.

[Plako]

As far as the last part goes, I don't base my morals on the economic dominance of a country I live in. I just try to put my self in other people's positions and see how I would react. If my wife/mother/sister/cousin etc. were to be raped the last thing I would think about is the "honor" of my family. My father is the same way. That's why I am so thankful he is from a city and not a katunar.

We are a honor based society whether we like it or not. And yes you are taking a moral high ground and judging these unfortunate souls who have had to deal with these issues.

Also I am curious why you bring up Saudi Arabia and not India for example, which has been in the news lately for its rampant rape culture. Would you do the same if you were talking about the honor killings by the Catholic Malesors?



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[Pjetër]

Also I am curious why you bring up Saudi Arabia and not India for example, which has been in the news lately for its rampant rape culture.

I only said Saudi Arabia because it was the first thing that popped into my mind. India/Saudi Arabia/South Africa take your pick it doesn't matter to me. I was more referring to the idea of a woman's rape being looked at as a blemish on the family's honor as opposed to actually being concerned with getting a rape victim the medical and emotional help they would need.

Would you do the same if you were talking about the honor killings by the Catholic Malesors?

Sure why not? I wasn't raised to believe in dumb shit like honor killings and blood feuds.

[Pjetër]

I cringe so hard when I see Malsors in Michigan who have lived here since the 1960s and are completely Americanized with the exception of them wanting to live their lives based off a 15th century book that they couldn't even read.

[Albanian Damien]

As far as the last part goes, I don't base my morals on the economic dominance of a country I live in. I just try to put my self in other people's positions and see how I would react. If my wife/mother/sister/cousin etc. were to be raped the last thing I would think about is the "honor" of my family. My father is the same way. That's why I am so thankful he is from a city and not a katunar.

We are a honor based society whether we like it or not. And yes you are taking a moral high ground and judging these unfortunate souls who have had to deal with these issues.

Also I am curious why you bring up Saudi Arabia and not India for example, which has been in the news lately for its rampant rape culture. Would you do the same if you were talking about the honor killings by the Catholic Malesors?



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Does it really matter? They're both shit countries and India's case that's very literal because they have the highest outside defecation rates in the world.

To me it's not that I believe that Catholicism is inherently better than Islam / Orthodox. It's just that I like to think with reason and logic and what my logic and reason tells me is this:

- The shittiest countries in Europe are Orthodox
- The shittiest countries in the world are Muslim
- The most successful countries in our region are Catholic (Italy / Croatia)
- The most successful countries in the world are neither Orthodox nor Muslim

So there's no reason why we should go against the tide if we're trying to make the most successful and well off society we can. Afterall at the end ofthe day "feja e shqiperis eshte shqiptaria". So why follow a religion that clearly isn't working for us or most people for that matter?

Gjakmarrje is a cultural thing by the way. So you're comparing apples to oranges when it comes blood feuds. It's one of our biggest flaws as a society but it's also the one thing that's kept us around for so long.

Why do you think the Turks never really enslaved us like they did all our neighbors? Because they knew an Albanian would slave would vow to kill his Turkish master until he took his last breath. It's not worth it.

Personally I hope we all became atheists/agnostic but I don't want a Muslim or Orthodox majority..

[Aurora Bulkualis]

- The most successful countries in our region are Catholic (Italy / Croatia)

Neither Italy or Croatia are "succesful". Maybe better than the rest of the Balkans (although Croatia not by much). Honduras has the highest homicide rate in the world and they're catholic. Look at Mexican and Colombian drug gangs...or Sicilian drug gangs.

Imo, all Middle Eastern religions are a cancer on humanity, but it's quite clear who is the worst. A religious person committing a crime is not always the same as a person committing crime because of religion.

Personally I hope we all became atheists/agnostic but I don't want a Muslim or Orthodox majority..

Orthodox religion is dying out in Albania along with Bektashis. They went from 20% to like 6%.

Actually, if you discount all the Dibrans and Kosovars, and non-Albanians like Turks the number of Sunnis is below 50% in Albania.

[Pjetër]

It's p. obvious that Lutheranism is the religion of the übermensch.

[artan]

You guys keep saying you don't care about religion but then you give your own personal opinion on what religion is good and bad. Just be real about it, some of you guys are embarrassed that the majority of Albanians are "Muslim" and looked down upon from the Europe because of it. Huge inferiority complex among Albanians. Obsessed with trying to give this perfect image to the west when clearly it won't happen.