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[Simboli i Diellit]

Most of these attacks are scheduled by Tunisians not Saudi Arabians. I doubt the Saudi Arabs have anything to do with ISIS ...

[Aurora Bulkualis]

The Saudis actually started this wave of wahhabism. They were the main funders. Still the only country in the world to not let women drive.

[artan]

Bro, you and I both know ''Wahabism'' is a concoction by the west to give a name to all these kind of terrorist groups that are now rampant in the middle east and Africa. Salafism is, from my understanding means '' to follow the way of the salaf'' ie. the original people dating back to the time of Islam's creation. The Saudi funds terror myth is so widely believed even though IS have criticized SA numerous times and called for their ''annihilation'' and vice versa. Even if Saudi Arabia was funding terror (which I doubt as there is little evidence to suggest IS have any links with Saudi Arabia) it doesn't excuse the point that even the Saudis would be getting these ideas from somewhere, there is a reference point for every world ideology.

And how is a religion like Christianity or even a random one like Sikhism dangerous in this modern age?

Haha that last bit made me chuckle

Maybe my message didn't come out as intended. I'm trying to say the modern day interpretation of Islam has been corrupted from Saudi(and their views) resulting in radicalization of many muslim countries and people. At the end of the day it's values aren't any different from Christianity in terms of holy books that contain some questionable shit, the moral part, etc.. Christianity has just been "liberalized" in the past century(maybe more?) because the West is economically strong. I also agree that Islam today is more "dangerous". I'm not sure what you mean about the reference point because you can always cherry pick and find a reference point for every cause.

As for ISIS if you understood how they rose to power you'd make the connection between the two as Saudi Arabia were heavily involved with the creation of many of the different Islamist rebel/terrorist groups in the area who later linked up and became ISIS. US funding of "moderates", opposition to a secular leader(Assad) and the shit show in Iraq also played a large role.

On a political scale ISIS may hate Saudi Arabia and vice versa because ISIS wants to establish a caliphate which obviously must have the "holiest" of the cities in it(Mecca). Saudi Arabia ofc can't show support for ISIS but in the population I'm sure many of the countries citizens and imams are supportive of ISIS and the grand Jihad. Suadi Arabia has historically been supportive of Jihad and has encouraged it's young males to fight in the past ffs. Proxies, finances, muhajedin, building of mosques, training of imams, etc, these guys will do it all and make sure your country fits their version(radicalism)

[Aurora Bulkualis]

I think you're both right. Saudis started the wave of extremism, BUT this was way before they had any contact with US. So you can't really blame them that much, other than looking the other way now.

But there is a problem with Islam, just like there is a problem with Christianity. If you read the Quran, it says you can beat your wife if she doesn't agree with you. If you read the Bible, it says you have to f*** your brother's wife if he ever dies. The only difference is that Christianity got over its crazy phase, and Islam is still stuck in the middle ages.

[Aurora Bulkualis]

I know most people who claim a religion are not really religious (that's why you can't umbrella them all), but this is the world view of people who read the Quran

Qur'an (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

I have nothing against people who believe in a god, but this is fucking medieval shit.

[Plako]

I doubt the Saudi Arabs have anything to do with ISIS ...

Yeah they officially do not support ISIS but powerful private individuals in Qatar and Saudi Arabia are funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to ISIS and other terrorist Sunni groups.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... amentalism



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[Simboli i Diellit]

I doubt the Saudi Arabs have anything to do with ISIS ...

Yeah they officially do not support ISIS but powerful private individuals in Qatar and Saudi Arabia are funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to ISIS and other terrorist Sunni groups.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... amentalism



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As you said individuals with money don't rapresent the state . The Saudi Arabia is the leader of the anti ISIS coalition and they have been doing air strikes for at least one year with their airplanes. They did allow their "princes" to found wehabism otherwise it could turn down their stable dictatorship but that happened many years ago and actually as of right now ally countries like Kuwait and Qatar are being used for getting money althrough that's not through goverment aids... We can take Kosova as an example that should fight wehabism, but it has deep roots in some religious institutions, they (BIK) let Shefki Krasniqi become the religious leader "par excelance" althrough he spread hate, guy even compared Tirana shii (bektashi i guess) with the devil Or that their Hoxha's don't allow the build of albanian catholic churches while the serbs are getting thousands of acres around almost every single one of their "thousands" of churches as protected areas. http://youtu.be/Dk3h6l49Qms

Maybe even Qatar, Kuwait have the same controll on their imams as Kosova does, so can Kosova be considered as a wehabist state (they do have a religious political party in their parliament also) ? Definitively not for me althrough it might not be the best example to show up that Saudi Arabia isn't responsible for people's actions. ISIS and The Tunisians who acted in Paris are the people guiltable for what happened .

[Simboli i Diellit]

I would just add this analysis of Beni :
http://www.balkanweb.com/site/kamikazet ... te-islami/

[vata10]

This mofo is a very good writer and 'te jetosh ne ishull' is a great book to read.

[vata10]

This is just terrible, Idk if I want to go to the EUROS next year.

Didn't even think about that. However the security measures will be pretty high and I believe they'll have sorted things out until then.


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Well this was the case, after the Charlie Hebdo attack, I read that at every object /place that could be a target for terrorist attacks the security level went sky-high.